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	<title>Comments on: When free agency dust settles will Suns be left holding the bag?</title>
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		<title>By: Raptors Cast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Philly rip Raps, Leo rips Dally, Croatia rip Canada</title>
		<link>http://phoenix.fanster.com/2008/07/17/when-free-agency-dust-settles-will-suns-be-left-holding-the-bag/#comment-997</link>
		<dc:creator>Raptors Cast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Philly rip Raps, Leo rips Dally, Croatia rip Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false"><img src="http://phoenix.fanster.com/files/2008/07/allanhouston717.jpg" alt="" height='150' />In recent seasons the Suns have tried to sign John Salmons, Joe Johnson, Chris Duhon, Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue. A grand total of zero of them have wound up#comment-997</guid>
		<description>[...] nice post here about how Phoenix is no longer the attractive NBA market that it used to be because of the way [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] nice post here about how Phoenix is no longer the attractive NBA market that it used to be because of the way [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jacobs</title>
		<link>http://phoenix.fanster.com/2008/07/17/when-free-agency-dust-settles-will-suns-be-left-holding-the-bag/#comment-998</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false"><img src="http://phoenix.fanster.com/files/2008/07/allanhouston717.jpg" alt="" height='150' />In recent seasons the Suns have tried to sign John Salmons, Joe Johnson, Chris Duhon, Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue. A grand total of zero of them have wound up#comment-998</guid>
		<description>You forgot to mention guys like Brent Barry, re-upping with the Spurs in midseason, and Tyronn Lue spurring the Suns for the Bucks.  I think the Joe Johnson mess set this whole thing off, and it s been a small decline ever since.  What I can't seem to understand, is how the Suns trade for Shaq, and then are too cheap to put money around him (meaning going over the luxury tax) even though he is making TWENTY MILLION for the next two years!



As a diehard suns fan, it kills me to see this decline, and there better be a gem out of Phoenix's young guys, because other wise, it's going to get bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot to mention guys like Brent Barry, re-upping with the Spurs in midseason, and Tyronn Lue spurring the Suns for the Bucks.  I think the Joe Johnson mess set this whole thing off, and it s been a small decline ever since.  What I can&#8217;t seem to understand, is how the Suns trade for Shaq, and then are too cheap to put money around him (meaning going over the luxury tax) even though he is making TWENTY MILLION for the next two years!</p>
<p>As a diehard suns fan, it kills me to see this decline, and there better be a gem out of Phoenix&#8217;s young guys, because other wise, it&#8217;s going to get bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Esposito</title>
		<link>http://phoenix.fanster.com/2008/07/17/when-free-agency-dust-settles-will-suns-be-left-holding-the-bag/#comment-1003</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Esposito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false"><img src="http://phoenix.fanster.com/files/2008/07/allanhouston717.jpg" alt="" height='150' />In recent seasons the Suns have tried to sign John Salmons, Joe Johnson, Chris Duhon, Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue. A grand total of zero of them have wound up#comment-1003</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the comments guys.



First off Steve, I wasn't trying to claim that Coach D has any bearing on this years batch of free agents. My point was that in the past it was a major issue as to why they missed out on certain free agents. It may not have been clearly stated.



John, to your point about Hill, Skinner, Giricek. Yes Hill is an example of a major player with a lot of interest choosing the Suns. I think Skinner and Giricek probably weren't fielding many lucrative offers with the guarantee of more playing time than the Suns were willing to offer. By no means were they primary targets of the Suns either. They both were second tier, "if we have to" options. Both worked out pretty well in the end but weren't the exact piece the Suns were looking for.



Hopefully Kerr has some contingency plans this off season that will work out just as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments guys.</p>
<p>First off Steve, I wasn&#8217;t trying to claim that Coach D has any bearing on this years batch of free agents. My point was that in the past it was a major issue as to why they missed out on certain free agents. It may not have been clearly stated.</p>
<p>John, to your point about Hill, Skinner, Giricek. Yes Hill is an example of a major player with a lot of interest choosing the Suns. I think Skinner and Giricek probably weren&#8217;t fielding many lucrative offers with the guarantee of more playing time than the Suns were willing to offer. By no means were they primary targets of the Suns either. They both were second tier, &#8220;if we have to&#8221; options. Both worked out pretty well in the end but weren&#8217;t the exact piece the Suns were looking for.</p>
<p>Hopefully Kerr has some contingency plans this off season that will work out just as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Celtics247.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Today&#8217;s Links 7/18</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celtics247.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Today&#8217;s Links 7/18</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false"><img src="http://phoenix.fanster.com/files/2008/07/allanhouston717.jpg" alt="" height='150' />In recent seasons the Suns have tried to sign John Salmons, Joe Johnson, Chris Duhon, Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue. A grand total of zero of them have wound up#comment-999</guid>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for a new team Comcast SportsNet  O&#8217;Bryant Presser and Danny Ainge interview AZ Sports Hub  When the free agency dust settles will the Suns be left holding the bag? Canadian Press  NY Jets sign fifth round pick, Erik Ainge Bleacher Report James Posey solidifies [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Philly rip Raps, Leo rips Dally &#171; Arsenalist</title>
		<link>http://phoenix.fanster.com/2008/07/17/when-free-agency-dust-settles-will-suns-be-left-holding-the-bag/#comment-1002</link>
		<dc:creator>Philly rip Raps, Leo rips Dally &#171; Arsenalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false"><img src="http://phoenix.fanster.com/files/2008/07/allanhouston717.jpg" alt="" height='150' />In recent seasons the Suns have tried to sign John Salmons, Joe Johnson, Chris Duhon, Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue. A grand total of zero of them have wound up#comment-1002</guid>
		<description>[...] nice post here about how Phoenix is no longer the attractive NBA market that it used to be because of the way [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] nice post here about how Phoenix is no longer the attractive NBA market that it used to be because of the way [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sunsdotcom</title>
		<link>http://phoenix.fanster.com/2008/07/17/when-free-agency-dust-settles-will-suns-be-left-holding-the-bag/#comment-1001</link>
		<dc:creator>sunsdotcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false"><img src="http://phoenix.fanster.com/files/2008/07/allanhouston717.jpg" alt="" height='150' />In recent seasons the Suns have tried to sign John Salmons, Joe Johnson, Chris Duhon, Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue. A grand total of zero of them have wound up#comment-1001</guid>
		<description>so how do we get free agents to sign with us for the cheap this season?



by becoming one of the top 4 teams in the tough west by midseason in terms of wins-loss record--and show other available free agents that we have the potential to win it all. playing for a relevant team is a huge attraction for some of these players who may be seeking their first title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so how do we get free agents to sign with us for the cheap this season?</p>
<p>by becoming one of the top 4 teams in the tough west by midseason in terms of wins-loss record&#8211;and show other available free agents that we have the potential to win it all. playing for a relevant team is a huge attraction for some of these players who may be seeking their first title.</p>
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		<title>By: john marzan</title>
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		<dc:creator>john marzan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false"><img src="http://phoenix.fanster.com/files/2008/07/allanhouston717.jpg" alt="" height='150' />In recent seasons the Suns have tried to sign John Salmons, Joe Johnson, Chris Duhon, Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue. A grand total of zero of them have wound up#comment-996</guid>
		<description>greg, you forgot to mention skinner, grant hill and giricek--players who last season alone took a pay cut to play for us.



there are 2 big reasons why nobody wants to take a salary cut to play for this team anymore, in this order:



1) most nba players think this team is NOT a contender anymore and is on the decline.



2) mike dantoni is gone. the fun is gone. the idea of playing for porter is just not the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>greg, you forgot to mention skinner, grant hill and giricek&#8211;players who last season alone took a pay cut to play for us.</p>
<p>there are 2 big reasons why nobody wants to take a salary cut to play for this team anymore, in this order:</p>
<p>1) most nba players think this team is NOT a contender anymore and is on the decline.</p>
<p>2) mike dantoni is gone. the fun is gone. the idea of playing for porter is just not the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false"><img src="http://phoenix.fanster.com/files/2008/07/allanhouston717.jpg" alt="" height='150' />In recent seasons the Suns have tried to sign John Salmons, Joe Johnson, Chris Duhon, Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue. A grand total of zero of them have wound up#comment-1000</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Not only is the change in front office a possible reason but former Suns head coach Mike D’Antoni’s style of play and lack of depth in his rotation played a role in scaring off potential free agents.&lt;/i&gt;



So you're saying that the departed coach's style of play and rotation, and I emphasize departed, is one of the reason's free agents are scared off?  That's simply asinine.  I think these players know that D'Antoni is NO LONGER the coach of the team.



I think the main reason, outside the cap slot, player's are signing elsewhere is their perception that the Suns can't win a championship.  The main cause of that perception should be pointed squarely at Amare Stoudemire. His self centered style of play and complete lack of effort on defense are the reason this team has failed and will continue to fail.  No one can put a team over the top when only 4 guys plays defense, and not very well, while one lazily hangs around the paint in a feeble attempt to block a shot occasionally.  It's time to call a spade a spade.  Stoudemire is an albatross.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Not only is the change in front office a possible reason but former Suns head coach Mike D’Antoni’s style of play and lack of depth in his rotation played a role in scaring off potential free agents.</i></p>
<p>So you&#8217;re saying that the departed coach&#8217;s style of play and rotation, and I emphasize departed, is one of the reason&#8217;s free agents are scared off?  That&#8217;s simply asinine.  I think these players know that D&#8217;Antoni is NO LONGER the coach of the team.</p>
<p>I think the main reason, outside the cap slot, player&#8217;s are signing elsewhere is their perception that the Suns can&#8217;t win a championship.  The main cause of that perception should be pointed squarely at Amare Stoudemire. His self centered style of play and complete lack of effort on defense are the reason this team has failed and will continue to fail.  No one can put a team over the top when only 4 guys plays defense, and not very well, while one lazily hangs around the paint in a feeble attempt to block a shot occasionally.  It&#8217;s time to call a spade a spade.  Stoudemire is an albatross.</p>
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